September 15, 2008
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Hewlett-Packard laying off dozens of American
software engineers while running PERM fake job ads to sponsor foreign
workers for Greencards
Idaho Department of Labor is embroiled in HP scam to
displace American software engineers with foreign workers
For the past two years Hewlett-Packard has been running fraudulent
job ads whose primary intent is to NOT find qualified Americans to fill
positions, but rather to demonstrate that "no qualified Americans are
available" as a step in obtaining greencards for their temporary foreign
workers. This fraudulent
PERM recruitment is continuing even as HP is laying off dozens of qualified
American software engineers. The Idaho Department of Labor, by running
these sham ads, is now
unwittingly a party to this fraud against U.S. workers.
DISCLAIMER: This Press Release makes allegations against
Hewlett-Packard based upon a set of circumstantial evidence. We have
sent this PR to Petra Ramirez at HP, giving her an opportunity to
rebut that the job ad running at the Idaho Department of Labor is a PERM
ad, for a position that is already filled by a temporary foreign worker,
and the HP's intent is to not find any qualified Americans to fill this
position. We further allege that many of the American software engineers
that HP is laying off are qualified to fill this and other HP positions.
Sacramento, CA September 15, 2008 -- PERM regulations require that
employers "demonstrate" that no qualified Americans are available by
posting job ads in a Sunday newspaper, and a few alternate recruitment
procedures. The Programmers Guild has been monitoring these fake ads for
two years. See prior HP PERM ads at
While bona-fide HP job applications can be submitted via the
web, the PERM fake ads require applicants to submit their resumes and
applications via snail mail to this address:
19483 Pruneridge Avenue
Mail Stop 4206
Cupertino, CA 95014
Please see the screenshot below: "Please mail resumes with reference
number to Hewlett-Packard Company Attn: P. Ramirez, 19483 Pruneridge
Avenue, MS 4206, Cupertino, CA 95014. No phone calls please. EOE."
This address has been associated with Labor Condition Applications on
the HP website, and previous "Attention" contact names turned out to be,
not HR personnel, but rather "immigration specialists":
P. Ramirez is "Petra Ramirez" - email
firstname.lastname@example.org. The ad
lists phone number 650-857-1501 - which is an HP Sales line - the
voicemail provides no option to speak with a Human Resources department.
1) This detailed contact info Ramirez reveals that the resumes are
being received by an immigration consultant - what other possible reason
than PERM processing?
HP Americas Immigration Consultant/Contingent
office/ 408-447-2824 fax email@example.com
19483 Pruneridge Avenue,
Cupertino, CA 95014
2) The job ad includes the requirement: "plus five
(5) years of post-baccalaureate, progressive experience in job
offered...." This is an illegal PERM job requirement because
experience gained by the temporary foreign worker within the current
position cannot be used as a basis for excluding qualified Americans.
3) The requirement to "snail-mail" resumes is unique to PERM ads.
This method provides applicants no means of proving they had applied for
the job, and no means of proving the HP received them. For actual jobs
HP accepts electronic resume submissions.
4) The job skills are not "specialized": C++, Linux, Microsoft
Project, Microsoft PowerPoint, Microsoft Excel & Office Suite (e.g.
"Microsoft Word"). The job ad does not list a minimum number of
years of experience required in these skills. (And MS Project and
PowerPoint can be mastered with a few days of training. But HP would
reject an otherwise qualified candidate who had never created a
The PERM ads are also at job sites such as CareerBuilder.com.
(screenshot below) Many jobs at such sites are bogus, either as PERM, or
as multiple bodyshops advertise for the same position, which would not
be filled if a contract is granted in the future. But Congress sees all
these job listings and concludes that there is a "labor shortage." It's
only once laid off workers start applying that they learn the truth.
The PERM fake ad process is well-documented, such as in the
& Grigsby YouTube video.
Accordingly, we believe there is sufficient evidence that the HP ad
on the Idaho Department of Labor website is a PERM fake ad intended to
disqualify American applicants in order to secure a greencard for
foreign workers currently holding TN, H-1b, E-3, or related temporary
DOES HEWLETT-PACKARD HAVE A LABOR SHORTAGE?
Google: Packard Boise Layoff - reveals that Hewlett-Packard is in the
process of laying off several hundred American workers in the Boise
Idaho Statesmen 8/26/2008 - Layoffs resume at Hewlett-Packard in
The company is tight-lipped, but workers believe up to 25% of
Imaging and Printing staff worldwide may lose their jobs.
KIVI-TV TODAY'S 6 IDAHO'S NEWS 8/25/2008
Hewlett-Packard Layoffs Underway
The Guild has been contacted by laid off HP software engineers who
have applied for this position.
DOES HEWLETT-PACKARD ENGAGE IN AGE DISCRIMINATION?
Laying off skilled American workers while bringing in
H-1b workers is one form of age discrimination. Another form is HP job
ads that exclude Americans that have more than one year of experience,
such as this recent ad:
www.programmersguild.org/docs/HP_Age_Discrimination.htm (In spite of
the exclusion of older, experienced workers, the ad cites an array of desired experience that the
candidate should have.)
The Programmers Guild advocates for the interests of
U.S. computer programmers and other tech workers. See
www.programmersguild.org for more information.
Mr. Kim Berry
President, Programmers Guild
kim (at) programmersguild.org
SCREENSHOTS (SEE BELOW): Position on Idaho Department of Labor, and three PERM
jobs listed at
www.CareerBuilder.com - all specify that applicants must apply via
snail-mail - and all specify experience "in job offered" in the
IT HEWLETT-PACKARD COMPANY is accepting
resumes for the following positions in Boise, ID:
Technical Analyst. Ref. (#BOIURA).
Develop programs to integrate internal & external data into data
warehouse & direct the day-to-day activities specific to this
task. Reqs. exp. with Oracle, MS SQL Server, Microsoft Analysis
Services, Oracle SQL, Informatica, Polyvista, PolyAnalyst. Reqs.
include Bachelor's or foreign degree equiv. in Electronic Engg,
Comp. Sci, Electrical Engg, Info Sys. or related & 5 yrs. of
post-baccalaureate, progressive exp. in job offered, or
Future Product Marketing Manager. (Ref. #BOIMCH).
Develop & implement mktg. strategy for HW, SW & services. Reqs.
exp with printing & printing supply markets & competition;
international exp, market knowledge & pricing analysis. Reqs.
Master's or foreign degree equiv. in Business Admin or related +
3 yrs of exp in job offered or related.
Software Designer. (Ref. # BOISHI).
Define, analyze & review sys. reqs. to be used for product
definition & devlpmt. Reqs. exp. with C++; Linux; MS Project; MS
PowerPoint; MS Excel & Office Tool Suite. Reqs. include
Bachelor's or foreign degree equiv. in Electronic Engg, Engg.,
Comp. Sci, Comp. Engg. or related & 5 yrs. post-baccalaureate,
progressive exp. in job offered, or related.
Please mail resumes with reference number to
Hewlett-Packard Company Attn: P. Ramirez, Ref. #, 19483
Pruneridge Avenue, MS 4206, Cupertino, CA 95014. No phone calls
please. Must be legally authorized to work in the U.S. without
Source - Idaho Statesman
RECENT HP PERM ADS IN OTHER LOCATIONS:
Hewlett-Packard Company is accepting resumes for the following positions in Houston, TX:
IT DEVELOPER/ENGINEER (Order Integration Technical Lead) (Ref. #HOUAGAN)
Reqs. exp. with Project development methodology & quality assurance; Partner/customer order integration; Supplier Chain transaction integration; WebMethods 6.5; WebLogic/BEA; Oracle/ SQL 10G; IDOC/xcbl/cxml document format. Reqs. incl. Master's or foreign equiv. in Comp. Science, Comp. Application, Elec- trical Eng., or related field & 5 yrs. of exp.
in job offered, or related.
IT DEVELOPER/ENGINEER (Ref. #HOUMBH) Reqs. exp. with Interface Programming (FM (Function Module)); BAPI; SAP Script; ALE/IDOC; SAP Smart Form; SAP Notes; Supporting SAP up- grades. Reqs.
incl. Bachelor's or foreign equiv. in Comp. Science, Comp. Eng., Electrical Eng., or related & 5 yrs. of exp.
in job offered, or related. For every yr. missing towards a 4 yr. Bachelor's degree, employer will accept an add'l 1 yr. of related work exp. If unrelated degree, employer will also accept an add'l 1 yr. of related work exp.
QUALITY PROGRAM MANAGER (Ref. #HOULRI) Reqs. exp. with financials & business models tools including COPE; ITSM processes including planning, executing & controlling Infrastructure Tech.; Proj. Mgmt. methodology prin. Reqs. incl. Master's or foreign equiv. in Business Admin., Mktg., or related field & 5 yrs. of exp.
in job offered, or related.
Please mail resumes with reference number to Hewlett- Packard Company, Attn: P. Ramirez, Ref. #, 19483 Pruneridge Avenue, MS 4206, Cupertino, CA 95014. No phone calls please. Must be legally autho- rized to work in the U.S. without sponsorship. EOE.